153: Storytelling with Kyle Gray

For anyone running a creative agency or building a consulting practice, the daily hustle involves far more than just doing great work-it's about building a sustainable business on your own terms. Working Without Pants-Creative Entrepreneurship digs into that reality with host Jake Jorgovan. Instead of abstract theory, this podcast focuses on the tangible strategies and conversations that actually lead to landing better clients and more fulfilling projects. Jorgovan sits down with practitioners who have been in the trenches, people like Brennan Dunn, Brent Weaver, Kai Davis, and Blair Enns, to dissect what works now. You'll hear specific stories about pricing, positioning, sales conversations, and the operational shifts that allow a solo practitioner or small team to thrive without burning out. The discussions are grounded in the intersecting worlds of arts, business, and design, recognizing that creative entrepreneurship requires a unique blend of vision and commercial savvy. Tune in for a candid exchange of ideas that feels more like a mastermind session than a formal interview, all aimed at helping you refine your offer and reclaim your time. This is a resource for those ready to move beyond just being busy and build a business that truly works.